Skype backchannel: Plausible Artworlds on the Moon

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[2/28/17, 5:37:04 PM] BASEKAMP team: http://www.boredpanda.com/nasa-seven-planets-discovery-reactions/
[2/28/17, 5:38:34 PM] BASEKAMP team: > I worry that, especially as the Millennium edges nearer, pseudoscience and superstition will seem year by year more tempting, the siren song of unreason more sonorous and attractive. Where have we heard it before? Whenever our ethnic or national prejudices are aroused, in times of scarcity, during challenges to national self-esteem or nerve, when we agonize about our diminished cosmic place and purpose, or when fanaticism is bubbling up around us - then, habits of thought familiar from ages past reach for the controls. The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir.

― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
[2/28/17, 5:39:52 PM] BASEKAMP team: Basekamp event: http://basekamp.com/about/events/plausible-artworlds-moon

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[2/28/17, 5:40:59 PM] BASEKAMP team: Hey everyone (so far 3 people), I’m just prepping for Tonight’s chat - starts in about 45 mins
[2/28/17, 5:54:13 PM] guest:maria_837bd066 (Guest): guest:maria_837bd066 (Guest) joined the conversation
[2/28/17, 6:13:35 PM] J.F. Kelley: J.F. Kelley joined the conversation
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[2/28/17, 6:22:11 PM] Emma Kemp: louie44.jpg
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[2/28/17, 6:22:42 PM] Emma Kemp: louie44.jpg
[2/28/17, 6:24:53 PM] J.F. Kelley: As I understand it, I am to wait for a host to bring my audio into the call?
[2/28/17, 6:25:24 PM] stephen wright: Hey Scott. Hey all. Five minutes to blast off!
[2/28/17, 6:26:41 PM] BASEKAMP team: (o) indeed
[2/28/17, 6:26:54 PM] BASEKAMP team: Jeff we’ll call you once we start
[2/28/17, 6:26:57 PM] J.F. Kelley: thx
[2/28/17, 6:31:52 PM] BASEKAMP team: Hi everyone… let’s give another few moments for people to join.
[2/28/17, 6:32:14 PM] BASEKAMP team: In the meantime, you might remember or nevertheless enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNyG-xu-7SQ
[2/28/17, 6:33:20 PM] BASEKAMP team: Stephen this would be good intermission music at least
[2/28/17, 6:33:47 PM] BASEKAMP team: Has everyone read over these Skype instructions? http://basekamp.com/skype
[2/28/17, 6:33:51 PM] J.F. Kelley: yes
[2/28/17, 6:33:58 PM] BASEKAMP team: I’ll paste again here for anyone who hasn’t:
[2/28/17, 6:34:16 PM] stephen wright: I was thinking Pink Floyd. David Bowie. Or maybe See George's cover of Bowie's Life on Mars...
[2/28/17, 6:34:18 PM] J.F. Kelley: (I remembered half of them too!  I think)
[2/28/17, 6:34:45 PM] stephen wright: Are we having an inter-mission?
[2/28/17, 6:34:56 PM] J.F. Kelley: pre-mission
[2/28/17, 6:35:01 PM] BASEKAMP team: # Welcome Skype potluck guests!

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[2/28/17, 6:35:31 PM] BASEKAMP team: On 2/28/17, at 6:34 PM, J.F. Kelley wrote:
> pre-mission

Yes!
[2/28/17, 6:37:02 PM] BASEKAMP team: OK if you read `Start & end time` you’ll know we literally always start at least a few mins late. But… I think we’re there now. Everyone ready to launch the call?
[2/28/17, 6:37:17 PM] J.F. Kelley: T-10
[2/28/17, 6:37:20 PM] guest:maria_837bd066 (Guest): Yes!
[2/28/17, 6:37:31 PM] stephen wright: Ignition!
[2/28/17, 6:37:33 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: Here!
[2/28/17, 6:37:37 PM] BASEKAMP team: BASEKAMP team added Julio Orta to this conversation
[2/28/17, 6:37:41 PM] guest:maria_837bd066 (Guest): Blast-Off!!!
[2/28/17, 6:37:49 PM] BASEKAMP team: Hi Julio
[2/28/17, 6:40:13 PM] Julio Orta: Call  1 minute 37 seconds
[2/28/17, 6:40:25 PM] (null): Call started
[2/28/17, 6:41:19 PM] Emma Kemp: AHHH i need a plug in to access the call ---- will request ENTRY once tech issue resolved!
[2/28/17, 6:41:39 PM] guest:maria_837bd066 (Guest): Do we accept with video?  Or just accept the call without?
[2/28/17, 6:41:47 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: just call
[2/28/17, 6:42:14 PM] J.F. Kelley: Or if you can't get your video configured...  (sigh)
[2/28/17, 6:43:13 PM] BASEKAMP team: Joey you’re on mute
[2/28/17, 6:44:34 PM] J.F. Kelley: lol
[2/28/17, 6:44:47 PM] J.F. Kelley: Even at enterprises where everyone does this many times a day!
[2/28/17, 6:46:46 PM] BASEKAMP team: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/01/29/apple-vs-microsoft-heres-who-won/79481788/
[2/28/17, 6:47:24 PM] J.F. Kelley: MAria got kicked off.  Re-invite?
[2/28/17, 6:48:10 PM] J.F. Kelley: J.F. Kelley added Maria Kelley to this conversation
[2/28/17, 6:48:24 PM] BASEKAMP team: (y) thx Jeff
[2/28/17, 6:49:20 PM] BASEKAMP team: BASEKAMP team added Salem Collo-Julin to this conversation
[2/28/17, 6:49:29 PM] J.F. Kelley: Do we need to actually GO there?  Could we throw a one-way rocket with a bunch of cans of flourescent paint at it?
[2/28/17, 6:50:16 PM] J.F. Kelley: (Not sure how I feel about graffitti on the Moon, but still....)
[2/28/17, 6:50:29 PM] Emma Kemp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Museum
[2/28/17, 6:51:00 PM] J.F. Kelley: We already have a couple of Apollo museums on the surface of the moon!
[2/28/17, 6:51:15 PM] BASEKAMP team: True Jeff!
[2/28/17, 6:52:18 PM] J.F. Kelley: A sustainable ecosystem under the surface of the moon might be useful for those who wish the human race to persist.
[2/28/17, 6:52:51 PM] J.F. Kelley: Contemplating self-inflicted or external earth-harming events.
[2/28/17, 6:52:58 PM] J.F. Kelley: Ref: www.deflectme.org
[2/28/17, 6:54:25 PM] J.F. Kelley: "Art" might use bio-media.
[2/28/17, 6:54:37 PM] J.F. Kelley: Micro terraforming projects.
[2/28/17, 6:54:54 PM] J.F. Kelley: Hurl buckets of robust microbes into craters in the moon.
[2/28/17, 6:55:41 PM] J.F. Kelley: And, why stop at the moon.  Long-term ballistic trajectories could take such art experiments to the moons of Jupiter/Saturn.
[2/28/17, 6:56:13 PM] BASEKAMP team: Joey your audio cut out
[2/28/17, 6:56:15 PM] J.F. Kelley: SOMEBODY's not on mute!  (It overrides the speaking person's audio)
[2/28/17, 6:56:27 PM] BASEKAMP team: You’re back!
[2/28/17, 6:56:28 PM] J.F. Kelley: lol
[2/28/17, 6:56:31 PM] J.F. Kelley: MS?
[2/28/17, 6:56:33 PM] J.F. Kelley: or Apple?
[2/28/17, 6:56:40 PM] J.F. Kelley: Dying battery?
[2/28/17, 6:56:47 PM] guest:tamara_rosenblum_b2455fcd (Guest): guest:tamara_rosenblum_b2455fcd (Guest) joined the conversation
[2/28/17, 6:56:52 PM] J.F. Kelley: oh.  Mind of it's own.
[2/28/17, 6:56:55 PM] J.F. Kelley: yes
[2/28/17, 6:56:58 PM] Maria Kelley: Yes
[2/28/17, 6:56:59 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: lol
[2/28/17, 6:57:38 PM] J.F. Kelley: Hurl terrariums to the surface.
[2/28/17, 6:57:44 PM] J.F. Kelley: (self-contained ecosystems)
[2/28/17, 6:58:00 PM] stephen wright: http://www.erroristas.org/es/magazine/2016/10/05/democracia-galactica/60
[2/28/17, 6:58:09 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: or revive project horizon
[2/28/17, 6:58:26 PM] J.F. Kelley: A bot-built "museum" which probably won't be visited for hundreds of years.  Like a time-capsule?
[2/28/17, 6:59:01 PM] stephen wright: something fictional and imaginary that might actually be worked toe
[2/28/17, 6:59:05 PM] stephen wright: toward
[2/28/17, 6:59:24 PM] J.F. Kelley: Or even a micro museum we could just bounce down to the surface at "minimal" cost.
[2/28/17, 7:00:31 PM] J.F. Kelley: yes, you are.
[2/28/17, 7:01:30 PM] stephen wright: disengage from the curse that there is no alternative. Invest in the imaginary in spite of the current political landscape!
[2/28/17, 7:01:35 PM] J.F. Kelley: Build a virtual museum using moonscape as the background.
[2/28/17, 7:01:41 PM] J.F. Kelley: Third Life
[2/28/17, 7:02:10 PM] J.F. Kelley: Scoobie Doo on the moon.  That could be the first avatar!
[2/28/17, 7:02:26 PM] J.F. Kelley: I don't trust audio.  I'm just typing for now.
[2/28/17, 7:03:33 PM] J.F. Kelley: Don't forget asteroids.
[2/28/17, 7:03:47 PM] J.F. Kelley: Very shallow gravity well - quite reachable.
[2/28/17, 7:05:08 PM] J.F. Kelley: I bet we could drop SOMETHING on the moon (or an asteroid) for half a mil.  Hitch a ride from Elon.
[2/28/17, 7:05:40 PM] BASEKAMP team: Jeff I think at some point soon Stephen’s going to talk about a project in collaboration with SpaceX to do just that
[2/28/17, 7:06:01 PM] J.F. Kelley: Rail-launch the package retrograde from Elon's tourist orbital flight and we could probably do without retro-rockets and all the technology implied.
[2/28/17, 7:06:05 PM] J.F. Kelley: Cool!
[2/28/17, 7:06:39 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: project horizon proposed by US army ballistic agency pitched a surveillance station on the moon.. technically, a way of dropping something on the moon?
[2/28/17, 7:06:57 PM] J.F. Kelley: Stretched my definition of "art".
[2/28/17, 7:07:28 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: government funded art you mean?
[2/28/17, 7:07:49 PM] BASEKAMP team: BASEKAMP team added sydney phelon to this conversation
[2/28/17, 7:08:05 PM] J.F. Kelley: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2699577/U-S-military-wanted-surveillance-station-moon-says-newly-declassified-report.html
[2/28/17, 7:08:15 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: !!
[2/28/17, 7:08:44 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: the document itself has some fancy typography on its cover page
[2/28/17, 7:08:49 PM] J.F. Kelley: I'm from the government, I'm here to help you (make art).
[2/28/17, 7:09:00 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: hahah
[2/28/17, 7:09:53 PM] BASEKAMP team: http://www.mocam.space/
[2/28/17, 7:10:08 PM] J.F. Kelley: we have to crowd-fund this project.
[2/28/17, 7:10:25 PM] BASEKAMP team: Joey this deed document? https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57c4ce9d1b631b5c58eb6a71/58a65f4c9f74564dc649bf65/58a661b3be6594d06ad3123e/1487300808959/moondeed1.jpg?format=2500w
[2/28/17, 7:10:37 PM] BASEKAMP team: Jeff good idea!
[2/28/17, 7:10:53 PM] BASEKAMP team: As long at the crowd is made up of billionaires
[2/28/17, 7:10:59 PM] J.F. Kelley: lol
[2/28/17, 7:11:07 PM] J.F. Kelley: Biiiiig crowds.
[2/28/17, 7:11:59 PM] J.F. Kelley: Maybe we should be talking about the value proposition for small-dollar donations.
[2/28/17, 7:13:02 PM] J.F. Kelley: Were the vikings or Jamestown settlers or the Pilgrims a product of vulture capitalism?
[2/28/17, 7:13:26 PM] J.F. Kelley: (Hopefully we wouldn't be displacing indigenous life on the moon)
[2/28/17, 7:13:41 PM] Emma Kemp: typing thoughts until i can UNMUTE! question as a participating artist —— seemed like there was some insistence on MOCAM as real + actual — but regardless the framework from outset was mimicking a current world reality — architecture of a museum, selection of a curator, display of work on website ETC.
[2/28/17, 7:14:03 PM] J.F. Kelley: We could drop sculptures made of lithium metal and it wouldn't instantly oxidize on the moon's surface.
[2/28/17, 7:14:34 PM] BASEKAMP team: BASEKAMP team added Daniel Wroe to this conversation
[2/28/17, 7:14:36 PM] J.F. Kelley: How else is a vacuum environment different - what other affordances?
[2/28/17, 7:14:44 PM] J.F. Kelley: Also lighter gravity.  Starker lighting.
[2/28/17, 7:15:41 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: which is interesting to think about in terms of colonialism… the idea of the colonizer as the authentic/ original and the colonized as the copy… in this sense, to emma’s question, which is the copy?
[2/28/17, 7:15:48 PM] J.F. Kelley: A small autonomous rover could blaze "crop circles" in the regolith.
[2/28/17, 7:16:24 PM] J.F. Kelley: imagine a 100-mile circumference peace symbol.
[2/28/17, 7:17:27 PM] J.F. Kelley: back to my earlier idea: how about very, very small cultures on the moon's surface?  I.e., dropped terrariums.
[2/28/17, 7:18:05 PM] J.F. Kelley: Brick and morter is required to protect the artworks from the elements.  There ARE no elements as such.  No enclosing structure required.
[2/28/17, 7:18:26 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: yes, the underlying assumption is again that the moon is bare of life
[2/28/17, 7:18:42 PM] J.F. Kelley: A sculpture garden where the sculptures can just be dropped from orbiting craft.
[2/28/17, 7:18:51 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: this is aligned with the colonial tradition
[2/28/17, 7:18:58 PM] BASEKAMP team: Jeff good point. But also, many contemporary artists now are not so much interested in creating luxury objects that need to be protected - or in many cases not objects at all
[2/28/17, 7:19:20 PM] J.F. Kelley: I'm talking to myself, does that count?
[2/28/17, 7:19:40 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: I’m following some of it, i think
[2/28/17, 7:20:24 PM] J.F. Kelley: Collect origami from a thousand children and drop THAT into our little sculpture garden.
[2/28/17, 7:22:18 PM] J.F. Kelley: orbital fly-by's with good optics could yield the images necessary for a VR "walk" through our "sculpture garden", right here on earth.
[2/28/17, 7:22:40 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: keeping the imaginary alive
[2/28/17, 7:23:12 PM] BASEKAMP team: BASEKAMP team added Violet to this conversation
[2/28/17, 7:23:24 PM] J.F. Kelley: Imagine a robo-sculptur "driven" with waldo's by the artist public here on earth.
[2/28/17, 7:23:40 PM] J.F. Kelley: Be interesting to learn how to deal with the communication latencies.
[2/28/17, 7:23:54 PM] J.F. Kelley: Pick up and stack moonrocks into "sculptures".
[2/28/17, 7:24:09 PM] BASEKAMP team: :)
[2/28/17, 7:24:21 PM] BASEKAMP team: Example of a different kind of “museum” I mentioned: http://basekamp.com/about/events/community-museum-project
[2/28/17, 7:25:19 PM] J.F. Kelley: Or as simple as a robotic rover with spray cans and public artists and direct their own grafitti.
[2/28/17, 7:26:18 PM] J.F. Kelley: Kids in grade schools could "program" the rover crop-circle makers.
[2/28/17, 7:26:21 PM] Emma Kemp: the moon and the internet were not dissimilar at a point in time —
[2/28/17, 7:26:38 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: kickstarter!
[2/28/17, 7:27:42 PM] J.F. Kelley: We could orbit a laser projector and "paint" on the surface of the moon.  Again, programmed by citizen-artists for little or no cost to them.
[2/28/17, 7:28:19 PM] J.F. Kelley: Can't be owned, but can they be "painted" on?
[2/28/17, 7:28:43 PM] BASEKAMP team: Can we have a Skype potluck on the Moon?
[2/28/17, 7:28:46 PM] BASEKAMP team: Oh wait…
[2/28/17, 7:29:04 PM] J.F. Kelley: Well, you could drop a router there and we can RELAY to/from the moon.
[2/28/17, 7:29:25 PM] J.F. Kelley: i wonder what will happen with those international treaties when someone lands on Mars and builds a habitat (and plants a flag)?
[2/28/17, 7:29:44 PM] J.F. Kelley: The white-helmets are going to fly up there and kick them off?
[2/28/17, 7:30:16 PM] Emma Kemp: have we have been playing out those roles with usership / censorship / ownership etc online?
[2/28/17, 7:30:37 PM] stephen wright: Haha! Yeah. I wonder about that too. But I think it might be really worth expanding the clauses of those treaties, not giving up on them
[2/28/17, 7:31:01 PM] J.F. Kelley: I see "S.A.P."  Hi S.A.P.!
[2/28/17, 7:31:43 PM] BASEKAMP team: Well, the interesting thing about human concepts like ownership is that they aren’t based on natural laws… if they were, maybe they would operate differently in space / other planets etc. Just like our theories that the laws of psychics don’t operate in the same way as you approach a black hole event horizon
[2/28/17, 7:32:21 PM] J.F. Kelley: The laws of psychics apply equally at the event horizon.  The laws of Physics, however, that's a different story.
[2/28/17, 7:32:50 PM] BASEKAMP team: Concepts aren’t “correct”, but they have actual impacts (like exhausting our terrestrial ecology)
[2/28/17, 7:32:51 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: From Graeber on “realness” and property: “When one is asked to be “realistic", the reality one is normally being asked to recognize is not one of natural, material facts; neither is it really some supposed ugly truth about human nature. Normally it’s a recognition of the effects of the systematic threat of violence. It even threads our language. Why, for example, is a building referred to as “real property”, or “real estate”? The “real” in this usage is not derived from Latin res, or “thing”: it’s from the Spanish real, meaning, “royal”, “belonging to the king.” All land within a sovereign territory ultimately belongs to the sovereign; legally this is still the case. This is why the state has the right to impose its regulations. But sovereignty ultimately comes down to a monopoly of what is euphemistically referred to as “force” — that is, violence. Just as Giorgio Agamben famously argued that from the perspective of sovereign power, something is alive because you can kill it, so property is “real” because the state can seize or destroy it.”
[2/28/17, 7:33:00 PM] Violet: ADD AUDIO
[2/28/17, 7:33:23 PM] BASEKAMP team: Violet re-adding you to audio
[2/28/17, 7:33:40 PM] Emma Kemp: true. so called natural laws are also increasingly at the behest of human governance / manipulation
[2/28/17, 7:33:45 PM] J.F. Kelley: Isn't there a native american concept of property "ownership" that we could borrow from here?
[2/28/17, 7:34:05 PM] J.F. Kelley: The community is the steward of the land.
[2/28/17, 7:34:31 PM] BASEKAMP team: Well one of the definitions of land ownership is determined through use
[2/28/17, 7:34:41 PM] J.F. Kelley: right.  plant a flag.
[2/28/17, 7:34:58 PM] J.F. Kelley: mining claims - another model
[2/28/17, 7:35:09 PM] Salem Collo-Julin: hi all, can any of those involved in this project speak to the idea of art in space as related to the work of Afro-Futurists (see also Sun Ra's philosophy, recent work by black musicians including Lil Wayne, Erykah Badu, etc etc)?
[2/28/17, 7:35:22 PM] Joey Cannizzaro: interesting to think of property in this “real ness” in relation to speculative capitalism. Like when Elon Musk “gave” his concept of Hyperloop to a prominent venture capitalist to pursue (bc he was too busy at the time), everything was “built” on nothing at all— spatially speaking. Even the lab itself was a rented space used primarily for the photo shoot for a FORBES article to attract more investors
[2/28/17, 7:35:41 PM] J.F. Kelley: The rings of Saturn make a "sound".  I wonder if we could play those rings like an instrument...
[2/28/17, 7:36:09 PM] BASEKAMP team: Salem YES PLEASE. Joey ^ I know you quoted some Afrofuturists in your essay
[2/28/17, 7:36:44 PM] J.F. Kelley: But, if we just go there and do stuff, who's going to bother to stop us at this early point in our planetary exploration?
[2/28/17, 7:37:47 PM] BASEKAMP team: http://www.mocam.space/hyperstitians/asegaayodamola
[2/28/17, 7:38:20 PM] J.F. Kelley: ugh.  I got dropped for some reason.
[2/28/17, 7:38:25 PM] Julio Orta: mocam lyapo julio2.jpg
[2/28/17, 7:38:25 PM] Julio Orta: mocam lyapo julio.jpg
[2/28/17, 7:38:45 PM] BASEKAMP team: Also Salem here is the essay: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57c4ce9d1b631b5c58eb6a71/t/5896d10f1e5b6cd270dc2035/1486278928265/Mystic+Hyperstitians+in+the+Heart+of+Empire+%28final%29.pdf
[2/28/17, 7:39:57 PM] BASEKAMP team: Space reparations!
[2/28/17, 7:40:52 PM] Salem Collo-Julin: thx for the documents!
[2/28/17, 7:41:03 PM] BASEKAMP team: Yeah good point too Salem.
[2/28/17, 7:41:18 PM] Maria Kelley: J K Kelley got dropped.  Basekamp, could you please re-invite him?
[2/28/17, 7:41:18 PM] J.F. Kelley: Please re-invite me.  I got dropped.
[2/28/17, 7:41:22 PM] J.F. Kelley: (dang hotel wifi)
[2/28/17, 7:41:48 PM] BASEKAMP team: Jeff, your mobile account?
[2/28/17, 7:42:03 PM] J.F. Kelley: We'll see how good this Personal Hotspot is on my new iPhone 7.
[2/28/17, 7:42:07 PM] J.F. Kelley: Just invite me here.
[2/28/17, 7:42:08 PM] J.F. Kelley: jfkcpe
[2/28/17, 7:42:29 PM] BASEKAMP team: Re-added you Jeff
[2/28/17, 7:42:34 PM] J.F. Kelley: thank you
[2/28/17, 7:42:38 PM] BASEKAMP team: (y)
[2/28/17, 7:43:08 PM] J.F. Kelley: If we built an installation there, robotically or now, what are they going to do, bulldoze it?
[2/28/17, 7:43:09 PM] BASEKAMP team: Exactly Salem!
[2/28/17, 7:43:14 PM] J.F. Kelley: And, who is "they" anyway?
[2/28/17, 7:43:23 PM] J.F. Kelley: robotically or not
[2/28/17, 7:44:06 PM] J.F. Kelley: I'll eschew the video; maybe that will help.
[2/28/17, 7:48:42 PM] Salem Collo-Julin: thanks
[2/28/17, 7:50:13 PM] J.F. Kelley: I'm going to bet that we could drop 1,000 school-children's origamis on the surface of the moon for around $10,000.  (If we hitch a ride from Elon).
[2/28/17, 7:51:21 PM] BASEKAMP team: Or a manifesto written up by children about what the next society on the moon should look like
[2/28/17, 7:51:34 PM] J.F. Kelley: with pictures of the children!
[2/28/17, 7:51:45 PM] J.F. Kelley: Engrave it all on thing aluminum strips.
[2/28/17, 7:51:49 PM] BASEKAMP team: If they want!
[2/28/17, 7:51:56 PM] J.F. Kelley: thing
[2/28/17, 7:51:57 PM] J.F. Kelley: thin
[2/28/17, 7:52:10 PM] J.F. Kelley: (I hate this lenovo keyboard....sigh)
[2/28/17, 7:54:26 PM] J.F. Kelley: If Elon is building a robo-tunneling machine, we could use that to build habitats on the moon!
[2/28/17, 7:54:46 PM] J.F. Kelley: (more than $10k though)
[2/28/17, 7:55:57 PM] J.F. Kelley: drop a little box on the moon with LED's programmed (again by children) to transmit morse code messages to anyone in the future who goes into lunar orbit.
[2/28/17, 7:56:17 PM] Emma Kemp: we don’t actually know what’s there to fuck up though ——
[2/28/17, 7:56:39 PM] J.F. Kelley: We can GUESS that there's no bio-eco-system there to fuck up.
[2/28/17, 7:56:51 PM] J.F. Kelley: (unlike most of the other moons in our system)
[2/28/17, 7:56:55 PM] BASEKAMP team: Emma good point. We think we know… maybe we don’t
[2/28/17, 7:57:14 PM] Emma Kemp: we may not recognize it — i feel like GUESSES in the past as to what ramifications we have
[2/28/17, 7:57:24 PM] J.F. Kelley: That's why I thought of my laser "painting" - it's ephemeral.
[2/28/17, 7:57:35 PM] Emma Kemp: on other entities or bodies etc hasn’t been great
[2/28/17, 7:57:42 PM] J.F. Kelley: too true
[2/28/17, 7:58:08 PM] J.F. Kelley: look at all the crap we've got whizzing around in low earth orbit.
[2/28/17, 7:58:16 PM] BASEKAMP team: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Federation_of_Planets
[2/28/17, 7:59:47 PM] BASEKAMP team: That’s interesting logic Stephen (since people like Musk are so interest d in aesthetics, that artists should be involved in those meetings too),
[2/28/17, 8:00:24 PM] BASEKAMP team: But which artists - the ones who design what a new car looks like, or those who are critical of existing power structures and involved in reimagining the world in different ways?
[2/28/17, 8:00:37 PM] Salem Collo-Julin: Musk is interesting but maybe he should also care what his gender equity at Tesla looks like - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/28/tesla-female-engineer-lawsuit-harassment-discrimination
[2/28/17, 8:01:04 PM] BASEKAMP team: 👀
[2/28/17, 8:01:19 PM] Emma Kemp: interesting, how to we redirect the power to ourselves though
[2/28/17, 8:01:30 PM] BASEKAMP team: Salem (y)
[2/28/17, 8:01:41 PM] stephen wright: Salem, agreed. In fact the whole high tech industry is plagued by that.
[2/28/17, 8:02:09 PM] BASEKAMP team: Emma, well, there are a few interesting precedents: http://basekamp.com/about/events/artist-placement-group-basekamp-apexart
[2/28/17, 8:02:22 PM] stephen wright: APG on the moon!
[2/28/17, 8:02:33 PM] Salem Collo-Julin: Stephen - oh yeah! And there's some issues with figuring out how to get "us" into the room if those engineering & high tech people can't even deal with other humans here on earth
[2/28/17, 8:03:16 PM] Salem Collo-Julin: but that shouldn't stop anyone from actually being in those rooms, I agree with what you were saying.
[2/28/17, 8:03:50 PM] J.F. Kelley: Don Norman, a famous guy in my field, famously showed that aesthetics are strongly correlated with usability.
[2/28/17, 8:04:26 PM] BASEKAMP team: Jeff good point - any good links?
[2/28/17, 8:04:48 PM] Emma Kemp: Thanks for link :)
[2/28/17, 8:04:59 PM] J.F. Kelley: http://www.jnd.org/dn.mss/emotion_design_at.html
[2/28/17, 8:05:17 PM] J.F. Kelley: https://www.amazon.com/Design-Everyday-Things-Donald-Norman/dp/1452654123
[2/28/17, 8:05:29 PM] BASEKAMP team: “Contaminate the Universe conceptually” LOL YES
[2/28/17, 8:05:46 PM] Emma Kemp: ^ !! YES
[2/28/17, 8:06:33 PM] BASEKAMP team: how to harness it
[2/28/17, 8:07:46 PM] J.F. Kelley: Give enough people waldo access to a bunch of earth/rock moving robots on the moon and (a) you'll have a sense of ownership and (b) some of those folks will create things of value (like the foundations of habitats)?
[2/28/17, 8:08:12 PM] J.F. Kelley: (a) = ( a ), (b) = ( b ).  sigh.  dang emoticons.
[2/28/17, 8:11:06 PM] J.F. Kelley: Kickstarter - raise $25k to put a timecapsule on the moon with contributions from all contributors.
[2/28/17, 8:11:29 PM] J.F. Kelley: (after checking with Elon to see if we can hitch a ride when he's got the tourist orbit thing going)
[2/28/17, 8:11:31 PM] Emma Kemp: QUESTION FOR JULIO: DOES MOCAM OWN THE ARTISTS WORK?
[2/28/17, 8:13:02 PM] J.F. Kelley: wow.  there's a .space domain!!
[2/28/17, 8:13:21 PM] stephen wright: worse still, there's a .art domain!
[2/28/17, 8:13:29 PM] J.F. Kelley: Next stop: www.deflectme.space !!
[2/28/17, 8:13:33 PM] J.F. Kelley: lol
[2/28/17, 8:14:46 PM] Maria Kelley: It doesn't look like anyone owns that domain (YET!).
[2/28/17, 8:15:28 PM] Emma Kemp: YES JOEY
[2/28/17, 8:23:11 PM] stephen wright: It might be important for artists to hack conferences like this:
[2/28/17, 8:23:11 PM] stephen wright: http://www.cvent.com/events/the-humans-to-mars-summit-2017/event-summary-39fdfc6f6a484a0a95c65522de8b73d1.aspx
[2/28/17, 8:30:20 PM] J.F. Kelley: welcome new site: www.deflectme.space !!!
[2/28/17, 8:30:37 PM] J.F. Kelley: Hi "S.A.P."!!!
[2/28/17, 8:32:11 PM] Maria Kelley: yes you are!
[2/28/17, 8:32:29 PM] BASEKAMP team: 🚀🤓
[2/28/17, 8:37:12 PM] BASEKAMP team: That’s a good hack Jeff
[2/28/17, 8:38:05 PM] J.F. Kelley: http://musicman.net/jfkres.html#PATENTS
[2/28/17, 8:39:59 PM] Emma Kemp: WOAH JEFF !!!
[2/28/17, 8:40:02 PM] J.F. Kelley: Thanks for listening.
[2/28/17, 8:40:06 PM] J.F. Kelley: to me natter on
[2/28/17, 8:40:35 PM] J.F. Kelley: it was really fun to participate - thank you all!
[2/28/17, 8:40:49 PM] Emma Kemp: I G2G — THANKS ALL !!!
[2/28/17, 8:40:53 PM] J.F. Kelley: ciao
[2/28/17, 8:40:58 PM] Maria Kelley: Thanks for inviting me!  It was great!!
[2/28/17, 8:41:10 PM] Emma Kemp: yes !
[2/28/17, 8:41:22 PM] Salem Collo-Julin: thanks all! yes I hope the chat/recording goes onto the basecamp site. bye! hi Sydney & Stephen, hope you're both well. hey scott!
[2/28/17, 8:41:36 PM] Salem Collo-Julin: woo!
[2/28/17, 8:41:40 PM] Salem Collo-Julin: byE!
[2/28/17, 8:42:34 PM] Maria Kelley: Call ended  2 hours 2 minutes 10 seconds
[2/28/17, 8:44:32 PM] BASEKAMP team: Just checked. The audio is VERY clear, and great quality this week. I’ll link it to that basecamp page, and post it here as soon as I get it up online somewhere!
[2/28/17, 9:24:06 PM] BASEKAMP team: OK everyone, here is the audio. Thanks for an interesting chat - looking forward to a part 2, and the simulation here on earth! https://archive.org/details/plausible-artworlds-on-the-moon